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Mar. 15th, 2006 | 02:12 pm
posted by: spinallandscape in icarus_society

42) Do women have a greater capacity for ruthlessness? Why or why not?


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Inga

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from: spinallandscape
date: Mar. 15th, 2006 07:55 pm (UTC)
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Before I reply, and as I run out, I would like to say that generalizations /bother/ me. Nothing I say in terms of gender, or even personality (unless aimed at one individual and presented with a YOU you) is a 100% thing.

It makes me cringe too.

The interesting part of this community, the novelty of it for me, is that I hate Female-only comunities. I want to tear them up. BUT, there is one place, one reason, one feeling where I think there is a link between females. This community is a true challenge for me. For once it's an exclusive community that shouldn't define as different, but help integrate better with society.

That is a true challenge.

I have yet to explain it better.

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infamouslapis

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from: infamouslapis
date: Mar. 15th, 2006 11:51 pm (UTC)
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That is what intrigued me about this community and its potential, was the idea that I also am "against" a womens only community, yet still think I may find some value in it.

I speak often in generalizations, but it is important to know that my underlying ideal is that every individual must be judged as a completely unique entity, and all generalizations, stereotypes, judgements that flash through your mind (consciously or not, we ALL have these subconscious tendencies,in my belief)must be put aside to the best of our abilities as we get to interact with that person in as open minded(for lack of a better word)a way as possible. There is a test: can't find the link now but will put it up later, called I believe the IAT test (internal associations?)found under harvard.edu. I am looking for it because it studies unconscious associations or bias that people have. I would like to find what my biases truly are, so I can work against them.

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Inga

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from: spinallandscape
date: Mar. 17th, 2006 08:25 pm (UTC)
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I feel like women have the capability to listen and linger. While men often want things black and white, begun and ended. At the same time I see ruthlessness as being cut throat in this male way.. but yet the whole 'lack of pity' and things such as that.. gear me towards lack of /ending/. Continual. Not letting up.

Though i don't like saying whole modes of thought are biological, there is this 'nastiness' that I have only seen in women. It bides its time, and waits in the bushes, and can wait forever. Though men can be 'patient' it's not the same thing. It's rolling around in it, covering herself in it. It's the capacity to ask a question with the intention of catching someone /fucking up/. Not that they will come out a better person, but that they will prove you that they are a bad one.

I don't know. I prefer meeting an evil man to an evil woman. I can't really tell you why exactly, but I know this to be a definite impression.

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infamouslapis

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from: infamouslapis
date: Mar. 15th, 2006 07:55 pm (UTC)
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I will have to think about this more and comment again, but my initial thoughts are this: While everybody thinks men are pragmatic, in my experience, women are the greater pragmatists. Because of our place in society (which is to this day a 'male' one) we have had to make choices about ourselves, our bodies, our children (which I don't have thank god) and our lives that men don't generally have to make.

Should we manipulate a man of greater power and financial stability to be our mates, in the interest of furthering OUR ability to flourish in this world? I think that most women have at least had to ask that question, and most men haven't.

I would argue that this level of personal ruthlessness is practiced quite a bit more often by women, and often even the most evolved women I know have had to make such choices.

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Re: ruthlessness

from: fireflesh
date: Mar. 16th, 2006 12:19 am (UTC)
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What you make situational I will even make biological; the addition of the maternal urge/eros/defense in addition to the genital is where our ruthlessness necessarily lies.

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infamouslapis

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from: infamouslapis
date: Mar. 16th, 2006 01:55 am (UTC)
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so, men and women have different ruthlessnesses because we have different 'roots of all evil'? That is funny and very well may be true. I like it.

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Inga

Re: ruthlessness

from: spinallandscape
date: Mar. 17th, 2006 08:22 pm (UTC)
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Is ruthlessness Evil though? Inherently?

No compassion/mercy/pity ... is it so bad to be determined... at all costs?

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